CHARTER TOWNSHIP OF VIENNA
	PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
	23-Sep-02
	Chairperson Curtis opened the meeting at 6:00pm and led the Pledge of Allegiance.
Present:	Vernon Curtis, Scott Preseau, Lee Garner, Ben Ranger, Max Schweitzer,  Gery
	Giltinan, Robert Palmer, and Mary Johnson.
Absent:	Dale Frappier
Minutes:	Motion by Ranger,  seconded by Preseau to approve the minutes of  9/09/02
	with one correction.  All ayes, motion carries.
	Motion by Preseau, seconded by Garner to approve the minutes of the special
	meeting on September 19, 2002. All ayes, motion carries.
Additions/Chgs:	Reminder of the special meeting, Thursday, Sept 26th at 5:30pm.
Communications	Letter from Genesee County Drain Commission will be read under #6 Petitions,
	Item 2.
Petitions:
Item #1	Public Hearing for Little Caesar's Pizza Rezoning.
	Little Caesar's Manager, Lyle Sheroski was present and explained to the Board
	his plan. They would like to stay in the area and this property is directly across the
	street from their present location.
	Bob Palmer said that there is not much frontage at the site so they will need a
	variance, but he supports the rezoning and thinks this is the best use of the land.
	Comments from the audience:
	Donna Wescoat, 2176 W. Vienna does not support the rezoning. Traffic now makes
	it hard to get out of the drive.
	Ms. Hyde, 11325 Lewis Rd. a realtor for the next property supports the rezoning and
	believes it all should be commercial.
	Linda Hunter, 9694 N Lake Rd Otter Lake, said there are numerous commercial lots
	in the area, that it's not all residential.
	Comments from the Board:
	Garner questioned if the house in back is landlocked, and was told it had a driveway.
	Preseau thinks maybe the rezoning process is incorrect. Petitioner  first needs
	rezoning from Board, and variances from ZBA.
	Motion by Preseau, seconded by Schweitzer to recommend the rezoning request
	from Little Caesar's to the Township Board.
	Voting yes: None
	Voting no: Ranger, Preseau, Curtis, Schweitzer, Garner, Giltinan. Motion fails.
Item #2	Final Site Plan for Lake Charles Estates.
	Charles Emmendorfer said he started the project two years ago, had some problems
	which are now settled and he is ready to finish the project.
	Chairperson Curtis read a letter from the Genesee County Drain Commission which
	says they cannot approve the plans unless Vienna Township agrees to take over
	the operation and maintenance of the sanitary sewer. Curtis also said that the last
	meeting on this project was March 1997, and according to the ordinance an
	extension may be granted for one year. He suggested that Mr. Emmendorfer begin
	the process again. He also told Mr. Emmendorfer that he had requested Rowe
	Engineering to go over the plans. Rowe said they might have a conflict of interest
	and if they do they will let us know and recommend another firm.
	John Tucker, 4284 W Lake Dr, Linden, attorney for the petitioner noted that Rowe
	designed the plans the first time, but he understands what the Board wants.
	Curtis said he would like soil borings because if the houses sink the Township
	will be liable.
	Anne Nickola, 11128 Elms Rd. said she watched the site being backfilled and they
	used trees and stumps. She stated that the bank had filed bankruptcy papers on the
	project, and asked Mr. Emmendorfer about the road he was supposed to put in
	according to the specs.
	Rose Rosenberger, 6332 Wilson Rd said that they have water problems now and
	what will the project do to them. She also said that because of the berm the natural
	flow of water has been changed and it puts more water on their property. She has
	two sumps pumps, one on each side of her house and she is worried about her well.
	Anne Nickola, 11128 Elms Rd said that the proposed lots start in the water and the
	water fluctuates 10' in and out so how will people know where their lines are?
	Chairperson opened comments to the Board.
	Bob Palmer said this was really a time issue. Does the Board accept the approvals
	from 1997, are they valid today, or do they need new ones.
	Giltinan said he was not comfortable with the plan and questioned the fill.
	Schweitzer said plan was from 1997 and it needs to be revised.
	Preseau said the project needs to go to an engineering firm for knowledgeable
	approval first.
	Attorney Tucker said he understands the Board's position and now the project is
	looking to spring of 2003.
	Chairperson Curtis said the Board will table this issue for now and that Mr.
	Emmendorfer needs to begin at the beginning of the process which is prepreliminary
	site plan review. He will need all new approvals from the required services.
Other Business	Ranger asked about the Gardner pond, and if there was any new information.
	Chairperson Curtis said he had spoken with Jodi Stiles, Genesee County Drain
	Commissioner's office, and she said in a move the paperwork had been misplaced,
	but she would send someone out to check on the ponds. She also said that Mr.
	Gardner did not need a monitoring well because of his type of operation. He further
	said that in Vienna Township's Lake & Pond ordinance it states that pond owners
	have to come to the Board every year to renew the permit, and that ponds are not
	grandfathered because they were started before the ordinance was written.
	Giltinan said he had noticed that at the new Wendy's site the curb toward the K-Mart
	parking lot had not been cut.
	Preseau said he thinks all plans need to be review by an engineering firm. The Board
	does not have the expertise on some large projects to know if everything is being
	done properly, but all petitioners should have this requirement.
	With no other business to come before the Board the meeting was adjourned at
	7:10pm.
	Lee Garner, Secretary
	LG/mvj
	*** Next Meeting  October 15, 2002 at 6:00pm
	Pond permit - Heit's at 1012 W. Vienna Rd.
	Pre-preliminary Site Plan review-Centennial Oaks Site Condos