CHARTER TOWNSHIP OF VIENNA
	PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
	SEPTEMBER 8, 2003
	Chairperson Curtis opened the meeting at 6:00pm.and led the Pledge of Allegiance.
Present:	Vernon Curtis, James Schweitzer, Doug Chilson, Gery Giltinan, Kathy Ridley, Dale
	Frappier, Robert Palmer, and Mary Johnson.
Absent:	Ben Ranger, and Lee Garner.
	Chairperson Curtis welcomed Kathy Ridley to the Commission.
Minutes:	Motion by Giltinan, seconded by Chilson to approve the minutes of August 25, 2003
	as presented. All ayes. Motion carries.
Communications	Chairperson Curtis reminded everyone the MTA dinner on September 20, 2003.
Petitions:	1. Kevin Marsee, Rezoning for 18-22-100-007/008.
	Glen Vinncel was present to present the project. The project was originally called
	Heatherwoods Subdivision. This project will have higher density on smaller lots,
	with single family homes. He said they would like to save some of the large oak trees
	by snaking the road. They also plan to have two islands, and a park area/green
	space at the south end of the property with off street parking and a tot lot. The
	present zoning, RU1 allows for 64 lots, but they would like to rezone to RU2 to have
	82 lots. There will be a sidewalk on one side of the road back to the park area.
	Bob Palmer said there is no development like this in the Township, and that they
	are not site condos, the group will own the outside of the buildings and the yards.
	There is sewer & water available, and the roads will be privately maintained. Bob
	said these type of homes typically are for "empty nesters" who spend the winter
	months in the south so that will alleviate some of the traffic.
	Chairperson Curtis opened comments to the audience.
	Martha Fortney, 11440 Colonial Woods Dr. said she was concerned with the
	accessability, increased traffic and the sewer & water systems for that many new
	homes.
	Eric Woods, 11427 Colonial Woods Dr. said that many new residents would create
	problems with overcrowding in the schools, overburdening teachers, the residents
	would have to pay to upgrade the sewer systems not the developer. He also said
	the plans would go against the 4 to 1 depth ratio ordinance.
	Kerry Paulson, 11520 Colonial Woods Dr. said he would like to see all the same size
	lots. There is also a question as to if they could build apartments if they get the
	rezoning, and if the stipulation could be made in the motion only single family.
	Robert Walling, 11427 Colonial Woods Dr. said he didn't want to see apartments
	or a Mobile Home Park.
	Chairperson Curtis closed comments to the Audience and opened to the Board.
	M. Schweitzer noted the vote will be just the rezoning question tonight, and that
	there is only a difference of about a 20 house density between RU1 and RU2.
	B. Palmer said they could build 60-70 homes without the rezoning, and he explained
	the 4-1 depth ratio. He also said the schools were losing students all the time, and
	the school administrator said they needed kids because that's how they get paid.
	K. Ridley said the Master Plan shows that area should be single family. She asked
	if a subdivision should open to a major highway, and if the area had a high water
	table where the detention pond would be.
	G. Giltinan said he liked the idea of a green belt.
	V. Curtis said the only question is density, and if this is proper use of the land. He
	said he liked the plan for a green space and a tot lot.
	Motion by Schweitzer, seconded by Giltinan to recommend to the Board the rezoning
	of 18-22-100-007/008.
	Voting yes: Schweitzer, Frappier
	Voting no:   Giltinan-tough issue, can see the pros & cons.
	Chilson-RU2 doesn't fit between subdivisions.
	Ridley-diviates from Master Plan, traffic issue, not the place for it.
	Curtis-traffic is an issue, but nice plan, likes green space.
	Motion defeated.
	2. Special Land Use, Jennifer Kagen, 12572 N. Saginaw Rd.
	Jennifer Kagen was present to present her project. She is requesting a special land
	use to have outside liquor sales at 12572 N. Saginaw Rd. She said there will be no
	music or bands in the outside area, that it is fenced with security cameras and that
	there will be an employee in that area. She also said that the State Liquor inspector
	said he had no problem with it that it was up to the local government.
	B. Palmer said the petition was expanding the land use, and because he will have to
	approve the change in the liquor license. He said since there are no neighbors here
	to object he recommends approval.
	M. Schweitzer asked how far the daycare was from the business and was told 100'.
	G. Giltinan asked about outside music, and Jennifer Kagen said no outside music
	and that the patio area would only be open in the summer months.
	K. Ridley said she would like to speak to another town that had something like this
	to see how it works and if they have had complaints. She also asked about outside
	lights and was told yea there would be lights but they would only shine down.
	Kerry Paulson said if he went he would like to sit outside because of the smoke
	inside. Thinks it's a good idea.
	V. Curtis asked B. Palmer if they would need more parking and was told no.
	Motion by Giltinan, seconded by Chilson to approve the Special Land Use application
	for outdoor liquor sales.
	Voting yes: Giltinan, Frappier, Chilson, Curtis
	Voting no: Ridley- because it would erode the integrity of the neighborhood and not
	protect the health & safety of our residents.
	Schweitzer- would compromise the integrity of the neighborhood.
	Motion passes.
Reports:	None.
Unfinished	Chairperson Curtis talked about the Nusiance Ordinance and the appeal process
Business:	with the Planning Commission.
New Business:	None.
	Motion by Schweitzer, seconded by Giltinan to adjourn at 7:20pm. All ayes.
	Lee Garner, Secretary
	LG:mvj
	***NEXT MEETING WILL BE SEPT. 22, 2003, 6:00PM
	AGENDA: 1. SITE PLAN REVIEW, ROLAND DOURLAIN
	2. SET PUBLIC HEARING FOR JML PROPERTIES