CHARTER TOWNSHIP OF VIENNA
	PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
	OCTOBER 27, 2003
	Chairperson Curtis open the meeting at 6:00pm and led the Pledge of Allegiance.
Present:	Vernon Curtis, Ben Ranger, Gery Giltinan, Lee Garner, Doug Chilson, Kathy Ridley,
	Dale Frappier, Bob Palmer, and Mary Johnson.
Absent:	Max Schweitzer.
Minutes:	Motion by Ranger, seconded by Garner to approve the minutes of 10-6-03 as
	presented. All ayes, motion carries.
Communications:	Bob Palmer said he had a new proposed zoning map he would like the Commission
	to stop in and take a look at.
Petitions:	1. Public Hearing for Phillip Compton Rezoning.
	Secretary Garner read the Notice of Public Hearing.
	Mr. Compton was present to discuss his project. He said that a corner of his
	property is zoned RU-1 and the rest is C-2. His business is wholesale and retail for
	the sale of ice machines. He has been in this business for 10 years out of a barn
	at his home. The house on the property has been removed and he would construct
	a modern building with a good profile. He will try to keep the mature tree line.
	Audience comments: None
	Board comments: Palmer recommends approval. Good use of the land, and 100'
	away from residential properties.
	Garner said he had looked at the property and asked if the house on Gera will have
	the proper distance and was told yes it would.
	Curtis asked if he would have outside storage and was told no.
	Ridley said she thought the project was a good use of the area and she is in favor.
	Giltinan asked if it was a warehouse type thing and was told yes with a showroom.
	Motion by Ranger, seconded by Garner to recommend rezoning to the Board.
	Roll call vote. All ayes, motion carries.
	2. Dixie Vienna Dev. Sp. Land Use, 11411 N. Saginaw Rd.
	Secretary Garner read the Notice of Public Hearing.
	Bill Voorheis, owner, and Len Schaeding, CCI Construction were present to present
	their project. They want to put in Magical Years Child Development Center.
	Audience comments:  None.
	Board comments: Palmer said this was an acceptable use for the building and the
	zoning which is C-2. He noted that the play area will be completely fenced, but it
	is by the road. The building has enough parking and he recommends approval.
	Ridley said on the site plan there was no exit door on the west side and was told
	the plans have already been revised from working with the State Fire Marshall.
	Ranger asked if there was any other day cares in the area and was told there were
	two others. He also said he thought it was a good use.
	Garner asked what else was in the building and was told that the GC Mental Health
	was there six hours a day.
	Motion by Ranger, seconded by Chilson to grant the Special Land Use.
	Roll call vote. All ayes, motion carries.
	3. Rezoning for Kevin Marsee, properties 18-22-100-007/008.
	Secretary Garner read the Notice of Public Hearing.
	Glen Vincil, Liberty Springfield, was present and said his plans had changed and he
	was now asking for 77, down from 82, detached single family homes. He said that
	under the present RU-1 zoning he was allowed 64 houses, and rezoning to RU-2
	will allow the 77. His plan calls for homes 1200 to 1500 sq. ft., islands in the center
	of the road, and a park area. He will add deed restrictions so nothing else will be
	able to be built. He said this is beautiful wooded property and the homes would be
	built closer to the road to preserve a green belt in the back. He also said he could
	possibly lose 1 to 2 lots because of the detention area.
	Audience comments: Several residents were in attendance with several concerns
	which included increased traffic, sewer capacity, roads, would like the lots to be
	100' not 55' like the rest of the homes in the area, danger to children from increased
	traffic, can another exit be built, knew that someday homes would go on that
	property, moved to the area because it was nice and quiet, doesn't believe the
	traffic count from ITE because numbers can be manipulated, condo assoc. doesn't
	hold together after a few years. Water lines will be added and will residents have to
	hook up. Harry Swartz wanted to build a funeral home and it was controlled, and
	this can be a sore spot too.
	Board comments:
	Curtis said 55' lots are allowed in RU-2 zoning, and that the Assessor said land
	values would not go down in the area, the project will have detention basins to take
	care of the water, said he went to a similar development by the same developer
	and talked to some residents who were very happy with the project. He also said
	that a choice between the two, RU-1 with 64 homes with bigger lots, or the RU-2
	with 77 homes and a nicer project the choice is clear, this fits the Master Plan
	which calls for single family. It will have a lower impact, more traffic, but a good use.
	He also said that the County decides sewer capacity
	Chilson said that the developer does not have a marketing plan, that now it will be a
	true condo assoc. The concerns about the roads and water will be development
	issues, and the only question now it whether this upscale development will be better
	than regular houses.
	Frappier said that a true condo assoc is a law and will take care of the property.He
	also noted that 100' lots were required before sewer & water lines were available to
	hold septic fields so smaller lots are now proper.
	Giltinan said he hopes the audience understands which development is better, and
	that 98% of the audience comments were negative because they did not want any
	development.
	Garner said he favors this project over a regular subdivision because he would like
	to preserve as much green space as possible, this plan fits the area and does not
	go against the Master Plan because it is residential housing.
	Ranger said he likes this plan but it would have fit better before the car wash was
	built because there could have been another exit.
	Ridley said would like to see consistency in the area, 100' lots like there are now in
	area. She thinks the traffic is an issue, and that the Board needs to adhere to the
	Master Plan.
	Palmer noted that if the developer alters the flow of natural water they are
	responsible for the problems it may create. He also said this is a true condo upscale
	project basically for 1 or 2 people, and that the Township does not have a project like
	it and it will have less impact that the regular sub division with 64 homes. He
	recommends approval.
	Motion by Garner, seconded by Frappier to recommend rezoning from RU-1 to
	RU-2 for parcels 18-22-100-007/008.
	Voting yes:  Frappier, Garner, Giltinan, Curtis
	Voting no:   Chilson, Ranger, Ridley.
	Motion carries.
Reports:	None.
Unfinished Business:	None.
New Business:	None.
	Motion by Ranger, seconded by Curtis to adjourn the meeting at 8:02pm. All ayes.
	Lee Garner, Secretary
	LG/mvj
	* Next Meeting November 3, 2003
	1.  Set Public Hearning Carnell Pond
	2.  Review ordinances