CHARTER TOWNSHIP OF VIENNA
	PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
	OCTOBER 22, 2007
	Chairperson Curtis opened the meeting at 6:00pm.and led the Pledge of Allegiance.
Present:	Vernon Curtis, Gery Giltinan, Ben Ranger, Pat Bowdish, Doug Chilson, Bob Palmer,
	and Mary Johnson.
Absent:	Max Schweitzer, and Mike Zinn.
Minutes:	Motion by Ranger, seconded by Chilson to approve the minutes of 9-24-07 as
	presented. All ayes, motion carries.
Additions-
Chgs:	None.
Comm:	Appreciation Dinner, November 9th at Davison-Richfield Senior Center.
Petitions:	1. Special Land Use, Judith and Lawrence Karns. They were not present, so they were
	moved to item #3.
	1. Fellowship Baptist Church expansion. Terry Tomann was present and presented the
	project.
	Bob Palmer said they can meet the setbacks, and the septic field is big enough, so
	he approves the project.
	Audience comments: None.
	Board comments: Ranger said he had no questions, it is a simple addition.
	Motion by Bowdish, seconded by Chilson to approve the Site Plan for Fellowship
	Baptist Church. Roll call vote. All ayes, motion carries.
	2. Special Land Use, James Cummings.
	Mr. Cummings said he wants to have indoor batting cages at 11395 N. Saginaw Rd.
	Bob Palmer said the water and septic is already there, there is plenty of parking, and
	he approves the project.
	Audience comments: None.
	Board comments: Giltinan asked about hours of operation, and Mr. Cummings said
	3pm to 8 or 9pm, and on the weekends they will open earlier.
	Building owner, Bill Voorheis, said there is already lighting in the parking lot.
	Mr. Cummings said he will have signs, but that has not been decided yet.
	Motion by Ranger, seconded by Giltinan, to approve the Special Land Use for indoor
	batting cages. Roll call vote. All ayes, motion carries.
	3. Judith and Lawrence Karns, Special Land Use for a Children's Cultural Camp.
	Mrs. Karns explained the project. She said the camp will only operate in the summer,
	with a maximum of 64 kids. Each bunkhouse will hold 16 kids and two counselors.
	Parents will bring the kids and pick them up in a week. The kids will be in grades 3-6.
	The rest of the year the facility will be available to churches and other organizations.
	Bob Palmer said the back area is wet, and that the County has approved the septic
	system. He said the sleeping areas must be sprinkled, and they must have security.
	Don Lee, THA Architects, presented the site plan. He said the property is all wooded
	now. The Ordinance requires the shown  80' setbacks.
	Audience comments:
	Chairperson Curtis read three letters of opposition received from neighbors.
	Several residents were present with concerns which included: Insurance costs will go
	up, will the counselors be certified, will defend their property if necessary, increased
	traffic, moved here to get away from kids like this, the kids will be noisy, their property
	will be hit, property values will go down, will affect everyone's wells, the kids won't stay
	on that property, and will Vienna Township buy my house.
	Board comments: Ranger asked if the property will be fenced and was told yes.
	Chilson asked what assurances we have that the project will continue as presented.
	Bob Palmer said it will be as presented in the site plan if approved.
	Ranger asked if a project like this is governed by State regulations. Don Lee said
	the State only deals with the physical development, nothing after.
	Giltinan said at this stage the Board doesn't know the State rules.
	Chairperson Curtis allowed four more audience questions, which included: will the
	counselors be fingerprinted, everyone has to be accepted, can't be exclusionary, can't
	sell homes, and people lie on applications.
	Chairperson Curtis said approval can be revolked if rules and guidelines aren't followed.
	Bowdish asked Don Lee who decides if workers are certified. Mrs. Karns answered the
	University will aid this process and all will have background checks. All teachers will
	be University professors and CPR trained.
	Giltinan asked about the Board of Directors.
	Motion by Ranger, seconded by Bowdish to postpone this hearing until 11-26-07. The
	Board will do some research on this type of project for the next meeting.
	Roll call vote. All ayes, motion carries.
Unfinished Bus:	None.
New Business:	None.
	Meeting was adjourned at 7:20pm.
	Gery Giltinan, Secretary
	GG/mvj
	Next Meeting, November 26, 2007
	1. Public hearing: Sp L U, Judith & Lawrence Karns